Kevin Rudd has come out in support of gay marriage.
Kevin Rudd has come out in support of gay marriage. Mark Dadswell - Getty Images

Encounter with gay 'God botherer' led to Rudd's change

UPDATE: Former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has denied his change of heart on gay marriage related to any future leadership challenge.

Mr Rudd wrote on his blog on Monday night that his position on marriage equality had changed, and he now supported the state formally recognising same-sex couples under statute.

He said his judgement had changed after talks with family and friends, and he now believed it was time for the Commonwealth to allow same-sex couples to be recognised as married.

But his vocal support failed to change Prime Minister Julia Gillard's position on marriage equality. She said it remained a matter of conscience for Labor Party members.

Instead, Ms Gillard laid the blame for "problems" in recognising the issue at Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's feet, saying he continued to refuse Coalition party members a conscience vote on marriage equality.

Mr Rudd said he raised the issue now because as the "sell" of the Federal Budget was now over it was time for a "mature national debate" on marriage equality, with a vote on the issue due when parliament next sits.

His change of heart was welcomed by The Greens, with a private members bill from Adam Bandt to go to a vote on June 6.

Mr Bandt said Australia now had the opportunity to join the United Kingdom, New Zealand and France in "recognising that all love is equal".

He said Tony Abbott had said he would not let religion influence politics,.

"He should prove it by allowing a conscience vote on June 6."

Mr Abbott told reporters his position had not changed, and the position of the majority of Coalition members was that marriage was between a man and woman.


EARLIER: Former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says an encounter with a 'God-botherer' Pentecostal who is gay has helped changed his stance on gay marriage.

Mr Rudd said he now believed the church and state should have different positions on the question of same sex marriage.

While he said churches should not be forced to marry homosexuals, he believed gay people should have the right to be legally married.

His comments, posted in a blog on his website, have sparked a flurry of comments, ranging from applause to disappointment.

Mr Rudd's position will put him firmly at odds with his Nambour sister Loree Rudd who quit the Australian Labor Party in November 2011 because of the party's decision during its national conference earlier this month to vote in favour of same-sex marriage.

Miss Rudd said at the time there were "many fine people in the Labor Party" she has served for 10 years.

"The things I've done in relation to this are just me personally," she said.

"I'm not representing any particular church or religious group. It is me giving my thoughts and taking a stand which is important for my integrity."

Miss Rudd said people over time had gradually broken down the sacredness of marriage as held in our society.

"Many problems have evolved, people are growing up in the wake of these. We used to say two wrongs don't make a right - that applies in this case.

"If it happens in Australia (gay marriage), it won't affect my life at all, but it would be a tragic loss for our society.

"If the benefit was that homosexual couples knew more joy, it would be worth the trade-off. But I don't think they will experience more joy."

Some have already accused Kevin Rudd of announcing his position to gain attention again in the national spotlight.

But Mr Rudd says there is no good timing for the release of such a statement.


Greens welcome Kevin Rudd's 'sudden conversion'

The Greens candidate for Griffith, Geoff Ebbs welcomed Mr  Rudd's sudden conversion to marriage equality.

"The Greens have been campaigning on this issue for many years and as Prime Minister, Mr Rudd strongly and consistently opposed it," Mr Ebbs said.

Mr Ebbs accepts the former Prime Minister's claims that the conversion is genuine and untainted by political considerations.

"Saturday's marriage equality rally in Brisbane was moving and effective. The singing in the New Zealand parliament brought tears to many people's eyes around the world," he said.

"But Mr Rudd did nothing when he was Prime Minister. The question is not whether we believe him now but how much influence does he really have?"

Greens Member for Melbourne, Adam Bandt has tabled his private members bill on Marriage Equality to be voted on again in two weeks.

Independent member for Sydney, Alexander Greenwich has challenged Mr Rudd to vote for the bill in Parliament.

"It's the same old story. The Greens work hard for years to push important issues and get rubbished for it then, when the tide turns, opportunistic pollies jump on board.

"Voters get more bang-for-their-buck if they back politicians with consistent beliefs," he said.

Some of the reaction on the Sunshine Coast Daily's Facebook page today

Kaacee Yesberg: Definitely changes my opinion, my Bestfriend should and hopefully will be able to marry the love of her life thanks to this guy. So much respect.

Colleen Downes: Whether it be Kevin Rudd or Joe Bloggs, having more love in the world can only be good. I give a marriage of two people who love each other a big THUMBS UP

Kate Lindquist: Time to get with the times!!!!!

Bonnie Robinson:  I think he's doing it to gain attention and possible votes for if he goes for pm again.... marriage equality should be a genuinely wanted thing, not something to gain popularity!

Virginia Homer: Politics is politics. But this is something that is genuinely wanted. And what will be gained is people rights to be viewed equally.

Cheryl Baker:  I hate to be cynical but could be a ploy to steal the spotlight. Otherwise, good on him. Now do something about it!

Darren Trinder:  We live in a time when debate about serious issues is reduced to 'people should be allowed to do what they want to do'. So, what type of behaviour does that rule out? Effectively nothing.

Kez McKenzie:  I don't care if he did it for votes, if he is for it, maybe others won't be so afraid to say yes, it's ok..It's a step closer to equality.

Micheal Riseley: He's a labor politician, so anything he says at the moment will be torn apart and slammed by the sheep in society who have already decided that they want us to go back to another useless Liberal Government.

Shaye Yuill: Shame he didn't come to this conclusion.when he was in a position to do anything about it

Joshua C'ocks:  The guy is useless. Managed to say 'Sorry' but then when it came to delivering indigenous housing he failed severely, but still spent the money. It's election year people, remember that.

Hannah Panchetta @ Darren Trinder:  Same sex marriage would have no impact on your life, so I'd say that in this instance letting people do whatever they want to do is completely acceptable and should be encouraged. Religion should play no part in politics...

Dyllan Robertson: Darren Trinder, you're right! Maybe we should take the rights away from women and make the "blacks" our slaves. Wake up you wanker. What is a government if it doesn't have the support of it people?

Kieran Bicheno writes on Kevin Rudd's conversion in our opinion section


Below is Mr Rudd's post in full. Let us know what you think of his position.

Church and State are able to have different positions on same sex marriage.

I have come to the conclusion that church and state can have different positions and practices on the question of same sex marriage. I believe the secular Australian state should be able to recognise same sex marriage. I also believe that this change should legally exempt religious institutions from any requirement to change their historic position and practice that marriage is exclusively between a man and a woman. For me, this change in position has come about as a result of a lot of reflection, over a long period of time, including conversations with good people grappling with deep questions of life, sexuality and faith.

One Saturday morning in Canberra, some weeks ago, a former political staffer asked to have a coffee. This bloke, who shall remain nameless, is one of those rare finds among political staffers who combines intelligence, integrity, a prodigious work ethic, and, importantly, an unfailing sense of humour in the various positions he has worked in around Parliament House. Necessary in contemporary politics, otherwise you simply go stark raving mad.

And like myself, this bloke is a bit of a god-botherer (aka Christian). Although a little unlike myself, he is more of a capital G God-Botherer. In fact, he's long been active in his local Pentecostal Church.

Over coffee, and after the mandatory depressing discussion about the state of politics, he tells me that he's gay, he's told his pastor (who he says is pretty cool with it all, although the same cannot be said of the rest of the church leadership team) and he then tells me that one day he'd like to get married to another bloke. And by the way, "had my views on same sex marriage changed?".

As most folks know, in our family I have long been regarded as the last of the Mohicans on this one. The kids have long thought I'm an unreconstructed dinosaur for not supporting marriage equality legislation. And Thérèse just looks at me with that slightly weary, slightly exasperated, slightly pitying "there, there darling, you'll get over it one day" sort of look, that wives can be particularly good at giving to their antediluvian husbands.

Very few things surprise me in life and politics anymore. But I must confess the Pentecostal staffer guy threw me a bit. And so the re-think began, once again taking me back to first principles. First, given that I profess to be a Christian (albeit not a particularly virtuous one) and given that this belief informs a number of my basic views; and given that I am given a conscience vote on these issues; then what constitutes for me a credible Christian view of same sex marriage, and is such a view amenable to change? Second, irrespective of what that view might be, do such views have a proper place in a secular state, in a secular definition of marriage, or in a country where the census tells us that while 70% of the population profess a religious belief, some 70% of marriages no longer occur in religious institutions, Christian or otherwise.

The Christian tradition since Aquinas is one based on a combination of faith informed by reason. If the latter is diminished, then we are reduced to varying forms of theocratic terrorisms where the stoning of heretics and the burning of witches would still be commonplace. In fact if we were today to adhere to a literalist rendition of the Christian scriptures, the 21st century would be a deeply troubling place, and the list of legitimized social oppressions would be disturbingly long.

Slavery would still be regarded as normal as political constituencies around the world, like the pre-civil war American South, continued to invoke the New Testament injunction that "slaves be obedient to your masters" as their justification. Not to mention the derivative political theologies that provided ready justifications for bans on inter-racial marriage and, in very recent times, the ethical obscenity that was racial segregation and apartheid.

Similarly with the status of women. Supporters of polygamy would be able to justify their position based on biblical precedent. Advocates of equality would also have difficulty with Paul's injunction that "wives should be submissive to their husbands" (As a good Anglican, Thérèse has never been a particularly big rap for Saint Paul on this one). The Bible also teaches us that people should be stoned to death for adultery (which would lead to a veritable boom in the quarrying industry were that still the practice today). The same for homosexuals. And the biblical conditions for divorce are so strict that a woman could be beaten within an inch of her life and still not be allowed to legally separate.

The point is that nobody in the mainstream Christian Church today would argue any of these propositions. A hundred years ago, that was not necessarily the case. In other words, the definition of Christian ethics is subject to change, based on analysis of the historical context into which the biblical writers were speaking at the time, and separating historical context from timeless moral principles, such as the injunction to "love your neighbour as yourself".

Against this particular Christian norm, and its secular moral corollary of "do no harm", and, in particular, "do no harm to others, especially the vulnerable", we have seen a range of social reforms over the decades where traditional, literalist biblical teachings have been turned on their head, often with the support of the churches. Including relatively recent legislative actions by Australian legislatures to decriminalize homosexuality. And much more recently, under my Prime Ministership, action to remove all legal discriminations against same sex couples in national statutes including in inheritance, taxation, superannuation, veterans affairs, family law, defence housing, Centrelink, child support, health insurance, citizenship and aged care.

Which brings us back to same sex marriage. I for one have never accepted the argument from some Christians that homosexuality is an abnormality. People do not choose to be gay. The near universal findings of biological and psychological research for most of the post war period is that irrespective of race, religion or culture, a certain proportion of the community is born gay, whether they like it or not. Given this relatively uncontested scientific fact, then the following question that arises is should our brothers and sisters who happen to be gay be fully embraced as full members of our wider society? The answer to that is unequivocally yes, given that the suppression of a person's sexuality inevitably creates far greater social and behavioural abnormalities, as opposed to its free and lawful expression.

Which brings us to what for some time has been the sole remaining obstacle in my mind on same sex marriage - namely any unforeseen consequences for children who would be brought up by parents in a same sex married relationship, as against those brought up by parents in married or de-facto heterosexual relationships, by single parents, or by adoptive or foster parents, or other legally recognised parent or guardian relationships. The care, nurture and protection of children in loving relationships must be our fundamental concern. And this question cannot be clinically detached from questions of marriage - same sex or opposite sex. The truth is that in modern Australia approximately 43 per cent of marriages end in divorce, 27 per cent of Australian children are raised in one parent, blended or step-family situations, and in 2011-12 nearly 50,000 cases of child abuse were substantiated by the authorities of more than 250,000 notifications registered. In other words, we have a few problems out there.

That does not mean, by some automatic corollary, that children raised in same sex relationships are destined to experience some sort of nirvana by comparison. But scientific surveys offer important indications. One of the most comprehensive surveys of children raised in same sex relationships is the US National Longitudinal Survey conducted since 1986 - 1992 (and still ongoing) on adolescents raised by same sex partners. This survey, published in the Journal of the American Academy of Paediatrics in 2010, concluded that there were no Child Behaviour Checklist differences for these kids as against the rest of the country. There are a number of other research projects with similar conclusions as well. In fact 30 years of research has seen the Australian Medical Association, the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Paediatrics and the American Psychological Association acknowledge that same sex families do not compromise children's development.

Furthermore, there is the reality of a growing number of Australian children being raised in same sex relationships. Either as a result of previous opposite-sex relationships, or through existing state and territory laws making assisted reproduction, surrogacy, adoption and fostering legally possible for same sex couples or individuals in the majority of Australian states and territories. Furthermore, Commonwealth legislation has already recognised the legal rights of children being brought up in such relationships under the terms of Australian family law. Therefore, the question arises that given the state has already recognised and facilitated children being raised in same sex relationships, why do we not afford such relationships the potential emotional and practical stability offered by the possibility of civil marriage?

Finally, as someone who was raised for the most important part of his childhood by a single mum, I don't buy the argument that I was somehow developmentally challenged because I didn't happen to have a father. The loving nurture of children is a more complex business than that.

So where does this leave us in relation to the recent and prospective debates before the Australian Parliament? Many Christians will disagree with the reasoning I have put forward as the basis for changing my position on the secular state having a broader definition of marriage than the church. I respect their views as those of good and considered conscience. I trust they respect mine as being of the same. In my case, they are the product of extensive reflection on Christian teaching, the scientific data and the emerging reality in our communities where a growing number of same sex couples are now asking for marriage equality in order to give public pledge to their private love and for each other, and to provide the sort of long-term relationship commitment that marriage can provide for the emotional stability important for the proper nurture of children.

Further, under no circumstances should marriage equality legislation place any legal requirement on the church or other religious institutions to conduct same sex marriages. The churches should be explicitly exempt. If we truly believe in a separation of church and state, then the church must be absolutely free to conduct marriage ceremonies between a man and a woman only, given the nature of their current established theological and doctrinal positions on the matter. This should be exclusively a matter for the church, the mosque and the synagogue. It is, however, a different matter for a secular state. The Church must be free to perform marriages for Christian heterosexual couples without any threat of interference from the state. Just as the state should be free to perform marriage services for both heterosexual and same sex couples, and whether these couples are of a religious faith or no religious faith.

These issues properly remain matters of conscience for all members of the Parliament. Labor provides a conscience vote. The Liberals and the Nationals do not. They should. If they don't, then we should consider a national referendum at an appropriate time, and which would also have the added advantage of bringing the Australian community along with us on an important social reform for the nation. And for the guys and girls, like the former staffer who came to see me recently in a state of genuine distress, we may just be able to provide a more dignified and non-discriminatory future for all.

Some will ask why I am saying all this now. For me, this issue has been a difficult personal journey, as I have read much, and talked now with many people, and of late for the first time in a long time I have had the time to do both. I have long resisted going with the growing tide of public opinion just for the sake of it. Those who know me well know that I have tried in good conscience to deal with the ethical fundamentals of the issue and reach an ethical conclusion. My opponents both within and beyond the Labor Party, will read all sorts of political significances into this. That's a matter for them. There is no such thing as perfect timing to go public on issues such as this.

For the record, I will not be taking any leadership role on this issue nationally. My core interest is to be clear-cut about the change in my position locally on this highly controversial issue before the next election, so that my constituents are fully aware of my position when they next visit the ballot box. That, I believe, is the right thing to do.